SCAMPATROL

[Randy]

I've bben contacted by a person requesting that I sell her parts (motorcycle) who claims to have a autoparts store.
She has offered to pay thru Paypal even though at first she said she could not. Originally wanted to use a credit card.
Now she wants a favor, for me to get her 3, now 4 high-end cell phones which she will also pay for also when I send the parts.
All good. But now she asks if I will take $300 as a deposit. (NOT!)

The parts I sell are one of a kind model specific accessories. That said, she wants 7 of them...total appx. $3500.

Very confusing if not interesting...

I Googled Nigeria and came across the 419 reports, and this forum.
I'd like soome insight on this if you plaese.

[Zed]

It's very much a scam - the CC that was offered first was probably stolen, and the next offer will probabily be either a money-order or a cashier's cheque which will be fake.

And I'd also be willing to wager that the MO or cheque would be written for a value of about $10,000, of which you deduct the cost of shipping, and wire the rest of the money back to "her" via Western Union.

Once the cheque has turned up bad (usually a month or two after your bank clears it), you've sent the money and the goods overseas, and now your bank wants their money back. Not a good situation.

Z

[Q]

Also watch out if they offer payment through Western Union Bidpay. They emails you get are spoofed. They'll try claim all sorts of things to get your send those goods. Some will even go down the lines of treathening you with the FBI. Don't worry its all a bluff!

Anyway good work coming here first!

[M_Saeed_Al_Sahhaf]

Credit card or cheque scam or WU Bidpay scam is the most likely as you've already been told. There is a slim possibility it may be a product registration scam, are you a dealer?

The scam goes like this:

a) They make a large order for a number of expensive items.
b) Deal appears to progress, they might ask for a sample etc
c) At the last minute, the guy will say something like, "I've just realised that your product isn't registered in Nigeria. I can't buy it unless it is registered."
d) They introduce you to a "lawyer" who can register your product.
e) All of a sudden a series of "fees" need to be paid.
f) You'll get more and more excuses about more and more fees.
g) Scammer disappears with your money.

[frodo]

Perhaps the most obvious sign of a scam is that the scammers don't really know what they're "buying" - nor do they care. It's all about getting a randomly chosen business to send them money - and maybe a few bonus items like phones or computers. What this means is that the scammer won't be able to answer any questions about the products they claim to be so interested in.

[Randy]

Thanks to yo and this forum!

"Perhaps the most obvious sign of a scam is that the scammers don't really know what they're "buying" - nor do they care. It's all about getting a randomly chosen business to send them money - and maybe a few bonus items like phones or computers"

This is exactly right.
FYI I'm posting the entire conversation ...you'll enjoy this...




-----Original Message-----
From: Stommy Pumpin
[mailto:stommyautopartsltd@tsamail.co.za]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Mail order.......(MOTORCYCLE SPARE PARTS)
Hello,
I am Miss Stommy Pumpin. I would like to order
> > for some of the available USED OR NEW MOTORCYCLES SPARE
PARTS AND ACCESSORIES AVAILABLE in your store, so i will just want
you to kindly get back to me with spare part available in your store so that i can place and order and add them to my store in NIGERIA. Also,the charges via
DHL,UPS or FEDEX courier
and i will be making the payment through
Creditcard account.
Awaiting your immediate respond now....
> Thanks..
> > > > Stommy Pumpin



> > > > > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:21:03 -0700 wrote:
Stommy, I will need your full address for
> > shipping costs to you. Thanks. Randy




-----Original Message-----
From: Stommy Pumpin
[mailto:stommyautopartsltd@tsamail.co.za]
Subject: Items needed.....
Randy,
Thanks for the immediate respond i am very glad for
> > > hearing that from you so i will just want you to kindly get back to me with ground total and the shipping cost of this items
listed below to LAGOS
NIGERIA by DHL or FEDEX COURIER........... ITEMS
NEEDED............

(Here Stommy orders a slew of miscellaneous items from the company I work at that is in no way related to motorcycle parts, which really is confusing, but because I am using my company e-mail address I suspect...)

Shipping Address............
> > > > > Stommy Pumpin.
> > > > > #13b,Ade-oshodi street,
> > > > > Ijegun-Egba
> > > > > Satellite-town,
> > > > > lagos-state,
> > > > > Nigeria.
> > > > > zipcode:23401.
> > > > > So i will jst want you to get back to me with the
> > > > ground total and
> > > > > shipping cost so that i can forward my credit card
> > > > details and account
> > > > > number for you to charges so that you can ship
> > > > > it out immediately...............
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > awaiting your immediate respond now,
> > > > > Stommy Pumpin



On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:16:45 -0700
Hello Stommy.
I must say I'm a bit confused....are you looking for motrocycle parts
(these items)?
I am nort sure how you arrived at my address, but
I have
interest in
motorcycles but I work for (this company) where we
make (these items).
I see by your request that you want my company's items.
Please let me know and I will forward you to one
> of our sales people.
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Randy



-----Original Message-----
From: Stommy Pumpin
[mailto:stommyautopartsltd@tsamail.co.za]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:54 AM

Subject: I'M INTRESTED IN CYCLE SPARE PARTS...GET BACK ASAP...

Randy,
> > > > Thanks for the immediate respond i am very glad
> for that
> > > > so i will just want you to kindly get back to me
> with
> > > the current
> > > > price list for MOTORCYCLES SPARE PARTS.So that i
> can
> > > give you the
> > > > items i need
> > > > immediately.......... thanks, awaiting your
> immediate
> > respond
> > > > now...... Mrs Stommy Pumpin....




> > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:23:18 -0700
Stommy,
DO YOU WANT
Motorcycle Parts
Or...
(THIS ITEM)???
Randy



> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stommy Pumpin
> [mailto:stommyautopartsltd@tsamail.co.za]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:38 AM
> > > Subject: I WANT MOTORCYCLE PARTS

THANKS FOR THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT FROM YOU
> I WANT MOTORCYCLE SPARE PARTS. THANKS, GET BACK TO ME IMMEDIATELY WITH THE
PRICE LIST OF MOTORCYCLE PARTS NOW... THANKS, AWAITING YOUR IMMEDIATE RESPOND NOW.. MRS
STOMMY PUMPIN...



> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:49:45 -0700
Not sure where you received information, but just by
coincidence, the only parts I have are specialized model-specific motorcycle part at $200 plus shipping.
Thanks, Randy



> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stommy Pumpin [mailto:stommyautopartsltd@tsamail.co.za]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:07 PM
> > Subject: Awaiting ground total now.....
Randy,
Thanks for the respond so i will just want you to
get back to me with the ground total along with the
> shipping charges immediately and here is my shipping address
> below..........
> >
> >(Specilaized Motorcycle parts).......qty 7
> >
> > Shipping Address............
> > Stommy Pumpin.
> > #13b,Ade-oshodi street,
> > Ijegun-Egba
> > Satellite-town,
> > lagos-state,
> > Nigeria.
> > zipcode:23401.
> >
> > So i will jst want you to get back to me with the
> > ground total and
> > shipping cost so that i can forward my #cc account
> number
> > for you to charges
> > so that you can ship it out immediately...............
> thanks,
> > awaiting your immediate respond now.
, Stommy Pumpin



> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:30:22 -0700
> > Stommy
> >
> > $1400 7 pieces (specilaized M/C Parts0
> > $ 350 to Shipping and Handling
> > $1750 Total cost
> >
> > You would have to use Paypal to pay me with your credit card or
> > other. www.paypal.com
> > Complete payment required before shipping.
> > Thank you, Randy



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stommy Pumpin
> [mailto:stommyautopartsltd@tsamail.co.za]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Awaiting ground total now.....
Randy,
> Thanks for the immediate respond i really appreciate
> that from you i have
> tried the paypal but it does go through so i suggest to forward my
> dredit card details for you so that you can charge from it
> immediately..........
> Thanks, awaiting your immediate respond now... Mrs stommu
> pumpin...



On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:47:10 -0700
Sorry Stommy. I am not prepared to accept credit cards.
> Other than paypal, I can only accept US Dollars, or a cetified check
> in US Dollars.
> After such check was cashed I could then ship your order.
> Regards,
> Randy



-----Original Message-----
> From: Stommy Pumpin
> [mailto:stommyautopartsltd@tsamail.co.za]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 01:12 PM

Randy,
Thanks for the immediate respond ok i will make my
payment through paypal even to make it secure for me...
AND WHAT A COLLISION I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE
WEDDING OF MY FIRST DAUGHTER WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE
COMING WEEK,NOW I WOULD WANT YOU TO KINDLY HELP TO GET THE
PRICES OF THREE SONY-ERICSSON P910i MODEL,I WOULD LIKE TO
PRESENT THE COUPLES THIS ON THEIR WEDDING DAY. I WANT YOU
TO KINDLY GET BACK TO ME WITH THE TOTAL COST OF THREE
PHONES SO THAT I CAN INSTRUCT YOU ON HOW TO CHARGE FOR THE
3 MOBILEPHONES PAYMENT WITH THE ORDER ALTOGETHER.....PLS I
NEED YOUR HELP FOR MY DAUGHTER ON WEDDING DAY SO THAT YOU
CAN CHARGED FOR THE ORDER AND FOR THE PHONES ALTOGETHER
AND SHIP EVERYTHING AT ONCE.i will take care of any extra
charges for the phones......
thanks,
awaiting your immediate respond now......
Mrs Stommy Pumpin...



On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:28:23 -0700
Stommy,
> I will have to research that for you. I don't have access
> to cell pphones.
> You would have to pay ahead of time for that item also if
> I am able to get
> them.
>
> In the mean time, I do not have the (Specialized M/C parts) in
> stock.
> We need to manufacture them, estimated time about 2-4
> weeks.
> When I have them ready to ship I will contact you for
> full payment through
> paypal.
>
> At that time I will research the phones for you.
> Randy



-----Original Message-----
> From: Stommy Pumpin
> [mailto:stommyautopartsltd@tsamail.co.za]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 02:35 PM

Randy,
Thanks for the immediate respond i am happy to hear that from you so i will just want you to kindly get back to me with ground total for the 4 SONY ERICSSON P-910i model mobilephones immediately so that i can send the payment pending the the time you will have the R1100S Barbacks in stock.............. thanks, awaiting the cost for the 4 sony ericsson p-910i model so that i can make the payment for the phones pending the arrival of the (Specialized M/C parts) will be in stock........ Mrs Stommy Pumpin........

N:B, Randy,If you can get the 4 phones ready i will be
given you the sum of $300 ahead........is that ok?



At this point I decided to reserach this more and found this forum

...

[Randy]

"Randy,
Thnaks for your last message i am still awaiting your immediate respond on the cost for the 4 sony phones so that i can make my payment asap immediately. thanks, awaiting your immediate respond now. Mrs Stommy..."

[M_Saeed_Al_Sahhaf]

Randy, that is a classic overpayment scam. Ignore them and they'll eventually go away. Be wary of other scams in future because now they have your email they're likely to try further scams.

[frodo]

[Guest]

very interesting...

[zellany]

Please note that credit cards are only coming into the NIgerian scene now so the question of your friend's card being stolen is definitely out.

Only banks issue same and only people with paid jobs and identifiable means of livelihood are issued.

I doubt if the population of card holders is upto twenty thousand thousand.

I am still awaiting mine so I know the stress involved b4 u get one.

All the same dont part with a dime your friend is trying to rip you off.

Beware please.
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Zellany

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